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Banned on the Mainland: Gay Cowboys are a filth foreign idea with no place in a modern Chinese society

posted Sunday, 29 January 2006

Despite claims to the contrary, censorship is an ever present fact in modern day Mainland China. A fact that reaches far beyond the normal political issues, and onwards into every aspect of public and private life. Curtailing anything and everything that Beijing feels might either lessen its grip on power, contradicts its version of history, or undermine its particular view on what is and isn't socially acceptable.

For this reason, it come as little surprise to China watchers to learn that Brokeback Mountain, a controversial film depicting the secret 20 year relationship between to gay cowboys, will not be running in Chinese theatres any time soon.

According to media sources, censors working for the Chinese State Administration of Radio, Film & Television were outraged by the film's sexual content and its depiction of same sex relationships, and refused to grant it permission to be screened or distributed on the Chinese Mainland.

Ironically the film's banning in China comes only a matter of days after its Taiwanese born director 李安 (Li Ang, also known as Ang Lee) hailed Asia as having a far more open-minded approach to sexuality than America.

Suppression?

While China has become more accommodating towards the issue of homosexuality over the last half decade, things remain far from ideal. At present, Chinese authorities largely deny that there is any substantial 'gay presence' in China, instead choosing to promote homosexual, at best, as being a 'foreign problem' and at worst, as being a personality aberration caused by insufficient effort not to be homosexual.

China has previously banned a number of domestic films portraying homosexuality, including 张元 (Zhang Yuan)'s 东宫西宫 (East place, West place); a rendition of the lives and treatment of homosexuals in modern day China, which won critical acclaim at the 1997 Cannes film festival.

There have also been a number of reports of officially sanctioned harassment of China's fledgling gay and lesbian communities, including an incident that occurred on 16 December 2005, when Chinese security forces raided the On/Off Bar, a homosexual friendly club located in Beijing, in order to break up a 'Gay and Lesbian Festival' that was being held there.

Some observers have however voiced that the On/Off club raid may not have been strictly related to the fact that the festival being held there was a 'gay and lesbian' event, but instead that it was more a reaction to the fact that it was organized outside of Beijing's sphere of influence, and that it was setting up to contradicts a number of misconceptions about homosexuality and homosexual lifestyles that were being tascitly supported by the Chinese government.

Social Censorship?

Despite containing strong homosexual theme, and mild male nudity, both of which Beijing comonly speaks out against, some have voiced that the Beijing may have found additional reasons to ban Brokeback Mountain. Including its depiction of 'rustic life' in America, and its contradictions of certain beliefs about America's origins.

As such, some observers have suggested that Chinese censors might have found cause for concern in the fact that Brokeback Mountain depicts America as having strong agrarian roots, rather than the industrial and commercial roots that many Chinese believe are the source of America's modern day wealth, and which Beijing is currently promoting as the 'only way forward', and the fact that it clearly shows that many of America's rural poor of the 1960s and 70s had a higher quality of life than much of China's modern rural population.

Although an outside concern when compared to the sexual issues raised by Brokeback Mountain, the level of rural unrest in China, particularly that created by poverty and industrialization, mean that these issues would likely have played on the minds of Chinese censors lest the have an impact on potential audiences.

Irony, Infamy and Idiocy

Despite claims that it is an open and accepting country, Brokeback Mountain caused a great deal of controversy when it was released in America. With many religious, conservative, and so-called 'family' groups denouncing it for its depiction of a male-male relationship, and accused it of 'trying to subvert American into accepting homosexuality'.

As a result, Brokeback Mountain has already been subject to an 'informal' ban in several parts of the United States, which has seen many cinemas in regions such Utah and Washington refusing to show it after pressure was put on them by conservative and right-wing elements.

In stark contrast to its reception to its reception in America, and its treatment by Mainland censors, Brokeback Mountain was well received in Asia. When it was released in Chinese-Taiwan, on 20 January, it quickly took the number one box office position; serving to highlight many of the differences and 'social incompatibilities' that have emerged between the two uneasy neighbors.

In addition to highlighting some of the differences between Mainland China and Chinese-Taiwan, the banning of Brokeback Mountain also served to illustrate exactly how much China's attitude towards sexuality and same sex relationships differs from that of Neighboring Japan, where 少年愛 (Shounenai), or 'male love', is a popular theme for Manga, Anime and conventional cinema.

Like Brokeback Mountain, Japanese 少年愛 (Shounenai) often focuses on the social and emotional aspects of a same sex relationship, rather than on sexual content. Similarly, it also attracts a large heterosexual female audience, who are drawnto it by its romantic story lines and portrayals of male emotions.

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1. Lady Cooper left...
Monday, 30 January 2006 3:19 am :: http://ladycooper.co.nr

Brokeback mountain was filmed in the Canadian province of Alberta, where I grew up, although it was set in the States.

I can see where the censorship comes from in both America and China, and it seems like it's the same reasons, protecting the "morality" of the citizenry. Sometimes the two countries are closer than we think, eh?


2. uleewang left...
Thursday, 2 February 2006 2:10 am :: http://spaces.msn.com/uleewang/

I'm sorry, but my friend the owner of the back-street pirate DVD store and myself beg to disagree -- two weeks after he sold me a DVD quality copy of the movie. And don't be overlooking the fact that an overwhelming percentag of American movies (I would guess 95%) never make it to Chinese theaters anyway, but are viewed by thousands like me. The "social censorship" part, especially about America's "agrarian roots", makes no sense at all. Chinese censors are anything but sociologists, and in my opinion even the most zealous Chinese sociologists or cross-cultural pundits wouldn't take up that issue, ever. If anything, I would say Brokeback Mountain's biggest obstacle in China is market. Despite the halo surrounding a big-time Golden Globe winner and front-runner for Oscar, the theme of the movie wouldn't find too many sympathizers in China -- not so much because of bias or social taboo but for general lack of interest by the public in anything so serious and tragic, especially at this time of year.


3. Roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 5:58 pm

i agree with uleewang above - you're spot on.

and speaking of nudity and sexuality and all that, I recently discovered a few porno shots of MAJ and his little Chinese chicky babe. At first he posted them on his freewebs site, and removed them a few hours later after I alerted the readers of several other blogs. I then did some poking around on google, and discovered a site he set up at www.chinaeros.blog.com

If you want a really good laugh, go check it out.


4. ACB left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 6:24 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

Whoa, toooooo much information.

If this site is real, and not a fake site set up by an anti-MAJ bregade, it's the funniest thing that I've seen about him yet.

A few months ago, I found that he'd been using an online dating service where he was soliciting 'sexual services', though I've lost the link now.

It would appear that MAJ's one great big pervert, and pprobably one of the worst examples of a white in China.

He professes to be supporting China, and yet here he is, apparently corrupting an innosent Chinese girl, and degrading the Chinese people while he's at it.


5. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:04 pm

I don't think he's degrading Chinese people with these photos. Seems to me like he's just into erotic art, photos and poetry and stuff. He seems to almost worship this China babe of his. She appears alot in his freewebs blog too. And from reading his freewebs blog, it seems as he has been with this girl for at least four years.

The fact that he dares to post these sorts of photos of himself is funny though. He is a really unusual character in some ways.


6. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:05 pm

I don't think he's degrading Chinese people with these photos. Seems to me like he's just into erotic art, photos and poetry and stuff. He seems to almost worship this China babe of his. She appears alot in his freewebs blog too. And from reading his freewebs blog, it seems as he has been with this girl for at least four years.

The fact that he dares to post these sorts of photos of himself is funny though. He is a really unusual character in some ways.


7. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:07 pm

I don't think he's degrading Chinese people with these photos. Seems to me like he's just into erotic art, photos and poetry and stuff. He seems to almost worship this China babe of his. She appears alot in his freewebs blog too. And from reading his freewebs blog, it seems as he has been with this girl for at least four years.

The fact that he dares to post these sorts of photos of himself is funny though. He is a really unusual character in some ways.


8. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:14 pm

sorry about the multiple posts. I some trouble with the computer stalling and I kept having to press post. Just delete the last two posts.

by the way, I don't think this girl of his looks too "innocent" either! :) And yeah, I just checked his freewebs blog - he has photos of em together going back as far as 2002. So they're a sincere couple it seems.

Still a crack-up though.


9. ACB left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:17 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

I guess that I'm just a traditionalist, if he's been with her for so long, then why isn't she Mrs Anthony-Jones.

Either way, I don't think that a white should be posting naked photoes of himself with a Chinese, it creates the wrong impression and presents the image of Chinese girls being whores, even if that is not what's really going on.


10. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:28 pm

wow you do sound like a "traditionalist". why should MAJ or anyone else necessarily get married? Why can't they just stay as a couple in a de facto relationship? and don't you think that by saying a white guy shouldn't take erotic photos of himslef with a Chinese girl that you are being a bit racist? if people conclude from that that a CHinese girl must be a "whore" then that says more about those people I think. if she was photographed with a Chinese guy would that make a difference to the way people perceive it? If so why?


11. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 7:35 pm

by the way, sorry if I seemed a bit harsh in my above comment, it's just I thought you were a bit more liberal.


12. ACB left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 8:18 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

No worries, in generally I'm quite liberal compared to a lot of people from my country. I have no problems with race or interracial relationships, I support gay unions and am not homophobic, and I don't pretend that nudity and sex are always intertwined, but I was raised with a strong set of morals when it came to sex and marriage.

Namely that marriage was preferable to co-habitation, that one shouldn't be done without the other, and that people who 'put it about' are morally lax and are a bad influence on society.

I'm more amused than offended, and it's not so much that I have a problem with MAJ and his girl being different races or taking nude pictures of themselves, its more that it looks very much like a white guy taking advantage of a Chinese girl to make pornography.

It doesn't matter if its not, it only matters that there are a lot of Chinese people who are even more traditional than I am who would get very worked up about this, and who would use these pictures to brand all white men as being wicked foreigners seeking to take advantage of innocent Chinese girls. I know more good white than bad, and I don't like things that can be used or misused to brand people, or to reinforce the stereo type that whites are leches who prey upon Asian girls.

MAJ claims to respect Chinese cultures and traditions, but these pictures very much go against them.

I note however that there is apparently no sign of MAJ's wing wang. He doesn't appear to be man enough to show that he is one. Is he not willing to throw himself fully into his art? Is he not willing to show all these poor innocent Chinese girls why whites are 'a superior race'? Does he wish to conceal the truth about why Americans wear boxers but Asians prefer briefs?

Then again, maybe the world is better off not seeing some things. The sight of a skinny white guy exposing his shame might make people all over the world go blind.

Art's loss is our gain, I suppose.

The least we can do, I suppose, is report him to the Chinese censors, just like her reported Peking Duck and The Horses Mouth. Distributing pornography is at least as likely to get his sight knocked off of the web as spreading the truth about China.


13. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 8:47 pm

I see. so you want to see MAJ's "wing wang". Me too. Actually, I've been hoping he swings both ways, in case I ever run into him one day.

And there does still seem to be somthing strange about a liberal who endores marriage so strongly. And Chinese culture has a sexual history, a strong sexual aspect to it. I've been to the museum of chinese sex at Tongxi in Jiangsu, and I've often seem them wooden blocks on sale in art shops with the karma sutra type sex scenes carved into them. Posting light porn shots of yourself on your own blog aint showing disrespect for traditional Chinese culture, even if your girl (or guy) is a Chinese. You might as well just say that Brokeback Mountain ought to be banned cause it offends Chinese culture. It don't offend traditional CHinese culture, only prudish modern day Chinese officials and those who endorse the culture they promote, the culture that is prudish and that views sex as guilt and shame.

And I'm an American and I've never worn boxers!


14. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 9:30 pm

One more thing, if you read MAJs freewebs travel bog, the one on Shenzhen Kitsch, he talks about Chinese history of homosexuality, and that's why I was thinking he might swing both ways. That, and because he does seem to be a bit of a vanity man, posting up so many photos of himself. What he writes is actually really interesting. Have you read any of it? Do you know of any sites where he has posted up his address or phone number of internet address, cause he doesn't allow comments on any of his sites so I can't contact him in any way.


15. ACB left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 9:37 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

"there does still seem to be somthing strange about a liberal who endores marriage so strongly"

There's liberal and there's liberal. It just depends on your perspective. I am a "tollerant of other's" liberal, but I have a strong set of morals that I feel are beneficial to society, and marriage is one of the things that I believe is good for a country.

I have a question for you. If I support marriage, this makes me a conservative in your eyes, right? , so what exactly does my support of Same Sex Union's make me? Is this liberal or Conservative.

"Chinese culture has a sexual history, a strong sexual aspect to it."

Here we have a paradox, the difference between cultural perception and cultural fact.

What you are citing are the facts of pre CR Chinese culture, it has the weight of history behind it as well as the burden of proof (lit: its real), but what I'm talking about is Chinese culture as percieved by the Chinese people, which doens't nessisarily have any basis in reality, but is none the less more important in this situation because the Chinese people's perception of their culture (that it 'doesn't do this sort of thing') is the bit that gets people's emotions boiling.

It doesn't matter if China has a history of erotisism and sex, only that the Chinese people think of themselves as being sexually conservative, and tend to get angry when it is suggested otherwise.

I could point out similar incosistancies in your own country's culture, for example freedom V a hisory of slavers, liberalism V a the current anti-gay vent, democracy V the installation of pupet governments and the denouncment of democratic socialism in Latin America, but that's straying off of the point and making me look like I'm spoiling for a fight.

I guess what I'm saying is that perception is more important than history where a culture is concerned.


16. ACB left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 9:47 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

I've read a little of what he writes, but I tend to avoid his posts because I disagree with him on a lot of things, and he spent a lot of effort bad mouthing my site and making up stupid things about me being anti-CCP (I pretty much never mention the CCP, ever). I also don't have all that much time to read travel diaries etc.

He is eliquant though, and I can imagine him being quite the charmer in real life.

I do have his email address, and an address for him in Shenzhen (possibly outdated though), and I know a couple of people who've met him. But I don't think that it would be right for me to just hand them out. I don't like the guy, but I respect his privacy.

He often posts to the China daily message board because he knows that the censors there will delete anything that disagrees with what he says (he usually posts some feircly pro-China essays there, and he loves to say nasty things about other bloggers). If you want to get his email address I suggest that you respond to one of his comments and ask for his details. If he gives them to you freely, then its his choice, not mine.


17. ACB left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 9:48 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

"You might as well just say that Brokeback Mountain ought to be banned cause it offends Chinese culture"

There are no Chinese in it so, in my opinion at least, it doesn't offend Chinese culture.

Now, if it had two gay Chinese farmers .....


18. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 9:53 pm

Ok, fair enough. But not all individual Chinese are prudish about sex, as the number of Chinese sex blogs and diaries goes to show, like the Guangzhou girl who blogs explicit details about her very active sex life, where she sleeps with a different guy almost every day! Not all Americans are relgious conservatives either. Only roughly half of us!

Because MAJ has posted a few light porn shots of himself with his Chinese girl on his own site to accompany his poetry is no less offensive towards Chinese culture today than Wang Kar Wai's film Happy Together, which shows sex between two Chinese men, or these sex blogs that are now sprouting up all over China, written mostly by Chinese women, detailing their promiscuous sex lives. Culture isn't static you know, and in every society there are multitudes of different cultures, in even in CHina. There is a generation gap for starters. MAJs photos are only offensive to one particular Chinese cultural set of values. Not all of them. Just like Brokeback Mountain and Happy Together doesn't offend all CHinese, only some.

And you are neither particularly conservative or liberal. Ideologically, like most people in the world, you are inconsistent. That's all I was ever suggesting about you.

Anyhow, you know how to contact this MAJ guy by nay chance?


19. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 10:04 pm

I can't comment about MAJs internet behavior except to say that he plays with words, like Orwellian doublespeak, and he treats blogs and cyberspace as a non-real world that's open to pranks and that's something not to be taken too seriously. He obviously stirs other bloggers up to fill in office time, as he says. He is a cyber jerk, as you say, but what makes him interesting is that he happily admits to being so, and that's because I guess he doesn't take any of it seriously. But his travel writings are more interesting cause he writes them for a different audience, his family and friends he says in his intro, and what he says in them is progressive and at times really interesting. You check them out, they'll give you a very different impression of the guy.

Thanks for your tips about trying to get in contact with him, and I appreciate you not wanting to give me his email address. I'm sure I'll track him down eventually, and who knows, if I'm lucky he might swing both ways, as they say. I'm sure he'd be interesting enough to chat with anyway.


20. roland left...
Sunday, 5 February 2006 10:34 pm

Ok last comment for tonight. You say he writes fiercly pro-CHina essays for China Daily, but go read his travelogues. He is at times fiercly critical of China, specially in the Shenzhen Kitsch II one. Evidence I guess, that he writes crap for China Daily merely to shit stir China bloggers. His real views can be found on his travel writings, his shit-stiring pranks on China Daily.

I'm attracted to his prankster side just as much as I am by the cute guy I see in the photos. He has a serious side too I think.


21. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 11:15 am

I just looked MAJ up on the CHina Daily, and read a few of his articles, all of which I had already read on Letters from China blog, where I first heard about MAJ. The Hong Kong guy who runs that site published all of MAJs CD articles on his site as well. Actually, I found myself agreeing with at least half of what he says in them articles. I have also read the Fantabulist thread on Peking Duck site, and that's how I became interested in MAJ by the way.

You say in your comment above that MAJ "spent a lot of effort bad mouthing my site and making up stupid things about me being anti-CCP (I pretty much never mention the CCP, ever)."

He has only ever mentioned your site once from what I can see, and only in passing, in the first essay he wrote on China Daily. This is what he wrote: "Sites like Peking Duck (www.pekingduck.org), The Horse's Mouth (thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com/) and the Angry Chinese Blogger (angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com/) all identify themselves as anti-Chinese Communist Party sites, though they also pretend to like and to admire the Chinese people."

This is the only time he ever mentions you, and yet you say he went to a "lot of effort" to "bad-mouth" your site.

I agree that your site does not identify itself explicitly as "anti-CCP" but I think people can be forgiven for thinking that your site is anti-CCP cause you certainly do regularly criticize the political side of CHina, even if you do avoid mentioning "CCP" it's clear that that's who you are talking about. Just take this thread for example, where you talk about offically sanctioned censorship. Of course, I think you are right to make such criticizms. I disagree with MAJs bit about sites like yours being "hate" sites. I agree with his points about the ethnocentrism of some blogs though, like Horse's Mouth he proivided clear and solid evidence to support his point on that one.

And you also say that he chooses to write for CD cause he knows that they will delete all critisizms of him. Not true either. Go look at all of his CD articles and read the comments. I was shocked at how vicious people were towards him, all personal attacks, and they never deleted them. More than half of the comments are personal attacks against MAJ but CD didn't censor them.

I think you are prone to a bit of wild exaggeration maybe?


22. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 11:56 am

Oh and just one more thing I need to get off my chest. You say you are tolerant and accepting of homosexuals, and yet you say that families and therefore marriage is important for societies health, and this is why you judge MAJ so harshly saying he ought to have married this girl by now, as if to say he can't be sincere unless he legally binds himself by signing a marriage contract. As a gay man myself, I know all too well that homophobia is largely the result of the ideology of the family. MAJ talks about this in his essay on Shenzhen kitsch II and I found that he is spot on about this. It's one reason why I like the guy, though I know he can sometimes be a cyber jerk too. Marriage is an anachronism, it belongs in the past, when men wanted theor women to bind themselves to them legally through marriage contract, as though they were possession. And as ideology is "naturalizes" as MAJ puts it, monogomous heterosexual unions and by doing this it implies homosexuality and bisexcuality as unnatural and therefore deviant.

What part of Europe are you from, cause most Europeans I know don't believe in marriage and that includes my straight European friends. Maybe you are from the else developed part of Europe, the old Soviet Eastern Europe, am I right? Sorry. I don't mean to be offensive when I assume as such, but you do seem to be very conservative on this issue. I respect your right to beleive in the value of marriage, b ut maybe you should respect others who have the opposite view of marriage, and not judge people morally cause they haven't married their girlfriend or boyfriend of four years or whatever.

Sorry again if my tone sounds a little unfriendly. Im just debating the topic with you, challenging your views, thats all.


23. ACB left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 5:42 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

What really set me off against MAJ was that he wrote under three psudonyms pretending to be three different people. That's just plain wrong.

What part of Europe am I from? That's a new one. Mostly I have to fend of people accusing me of being America or Chinese American (which I'm not).

Safe to say, I consider myself to be very far removed from Europe.


24. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 6:00 pm

Amibguous answer! I didn't accuse you of being from America or China because you said you were from Europe earlier above.

What's wrong with writing under psudonyms exactly? I know MAJ asked this in the Fantablist thing, but nobody really answered except to say it was dishonest. But he does have a point doesnt he about the internet being a place that liberates people exactly because it does let them be ananymous and to roleplay, to be other people. what's wrong with that? most people use a pen name when blogging or they assume a certain identity or character.


25. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 6:21 pm

oh and for the record I think MAJ has sometimes behaved like a cyber jerk, specially in the way that he tried to paint blogs like this to be hate sites but I said already that i think his arguments about ethnocentrism were fair enough and i agree with much of what he says there. He also behaved in bad form by using richard's real name, his full name and that's just not good form. all i'm saying is that he's not as bad as people say and he's written some really interesting things as well and in many ways he seems to be very progressive and leftwing. i like his attitudes towards homosexuality and towards china , what he says on his blog about china. and his views about nature of the internet and using roleplay is interesting and with much merit even though many bloggers like yourself object to the dishonesty of it.


26. ACB left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 6:52 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

I studied in Europe (lanugages and history) for a short time, and I worked/lived/studied in Britain for several years, so I know the attitudes there pretty well, but it takes more than this to make me come from there. I've lived, worked and studied on the Mainland for quite some time, but this doesn't make me a mainlander either (fortunately).

In general, I don't publish my nationalisty because it would instantly turn some Mainlanders against me before they had even read what I wrote and they would say that I only feel X because of where I was born, rather than because I looked at the facts and came to that conclusion.

It's funny how even on an anonymous blog, we still look for clues as to where people come from. It's kind of like we are looking for a label to put on peple so we know how to talk to them.

I basicly go on the presumption that anybody who speaks English is American, not just because most are, but because America is such a visible country that any example that I use from America will be known to most of the people who read it, even if they are not Ameircans.

Back to the MAJ thing. Yuo are posting to this article using one name which is Roland. You can post using any name you like. You can even post using MAJ if you wish. It's not my problem.

What is a problem is if you use both MAJ and Roland on the same post, pretending to be two different people agreeing with one another (I can trace you're anonymizer back to its source, so it'd be kind of dumb for you to do that).

Imagine you posted a controversial article and had 50 people all critisizing/commenting on it, and 20 of these people turned out to be the same person trying to make it seem that a minority argument was actually shared by a lot of people.

This is the blog equivelent of ballot box stuffing.


27. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 8:41 pm

ok ACB that's a good point, and reason enough to be objectionalbe about the use of multiple peronas but i think MAJ maybe doesn't take blogs all that seriously and his Dr Anne charcter was kind of fun and amusing for many readers as well for a while. On a more serious forum i can see that using multiple personas to support ones own arguments is bad form.

And it matters not to me where you are from, but I'm guessing you are Japanese.


28. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 9:29 pm

News for you! MAJ has put his guest book back up on his freewebs site which means i can chat to him now. I have so many questions to ask him be interesting to see how he responds to me. I've asked him for his email address already and ive asked him hopw he feels bout you. hope you don't mind but i want to see how he really feels about you and your site, see whether the hatred is mutual.


29. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 9:52 pm

Na! He's removed it again. I did leave a comment though as I said above. strange.


30. ACB left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 10:01 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

It's irritation rather than hatred, he doens't play by the rules.

I never put my nationalisty down, but somehow people who read my blog always gets back to Japanese or Chinese-Japanese. I can live with both, just so long as nobody calls me a Chinese-American.


31. ACB left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 10:05 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

Out of curiosity, why Japanese?


32. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 10:12 pm

Simple! You have left too many hints, like the use of the word "kawiiness" (cuteness in Japanese), you have lots of photos of hanami (cherry blossoms) and you are into anime! And people can post comments here using Japanese characters. It all adds up! The reason you attack (or are sensitive) to white guys being with asian girls, and the anti-americanism (maybe you're from Yokosuka or Okinawa!)


33. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 10:26 pm

actually, i tell a bit of a lie. I did post a comment on MAJs guest book, and i did ask him how he felt about you and his site. That was earlier this afternoon. He replied about 30 minutes later saying that he used to find your site a "curiosity" and that he assumed you were Japanese from your use of the word "kawiiness" but I hve not been able to find this word anywhere on your blog. He also mentioned the anime and the hanami photos and he said something about how he can also tell from your writings, that your are a generation X girl from Japan. Your views he said were generally sound but sometimes conmfused and inconsistent and that you were typical of the kind of writers criticised by Kanzaburo Oe, postmodern writers like Banana Yoshimoto and Murakami Haruki, the sort of writers he says are vacuous and yet popular. He prefers Oe and Kobo Abe is his favorite he said. The earlier generation of Japanese writers he says are far superior to the generation x postmodern writers, but he said you typify that generation in both writing style and in ideological inconsistency. He also said he used to live and work in Japan and that he had a Japanese girlfriend for a few years and that he can tell you're probably japanese. I wanted to alert you to this but for some strange reason he has deleted his guest book again.


34. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 10:33 pm

oh and I nearly forgot. he said you are probably "nice enough" in reality but that he doesn't really know much about you and that he can't read your blog from where he is and I can't really remember thn erest. he did go on a bit a length though. And he didn't leave me his email address like i asked which is a bit disappointing. maybe he's a bit scared of me! he he he


35. roland left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 10:36 pm

...or maybe he's angry with me for discovering his chinaeros.blog.com porno site he he


36. ACB left...
Monday, 6 February 2006 11:40 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

While I would love to be able to pretend that I am have read 吉本 and 村上, or even 大江 健三郎, I can't. I know of them, but I've never read anything by them that I was not forced to read. I did study litrature for a while, but I more of a popular fiction person.

I also think that we have a conflict of terms over gneration X, particularly the time period. Though 吉本 does get to grips quite well with the frustrations that Japanese youth feel.

As for your tell tale signs. Hanami, was originally a Chinese festival that was adopted by Japan, though it began with plum blossoms not Sakura.

Koreans hate Americans far more than Japanese do, so I could at the very least be a Korean-Japanese. Anime is also really popular in Taiwan rigth now, and Hong Kong, and all that posting in Japnaese here means is that I read Japanese, which I could have learnt in school. Don't forget that I use more simplified Chinese than Japanese here, and you already know that I'm not Mainland.

I wonder of Dr. Anne is a doctor of phychology?


37. dishuiguanyin left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:06 am

ACB, I'm sending you an email.


38. dishuiguanyin left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:06 am

ACB, I'm sending you an email.


39. dishuiguanyin left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:06 am

ACB, I'm sending you an email.


40. ACB left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:24 am :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

If it's about MAJ, I guessed a long time ago.


41. roland left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 2:13 pm

i just noticed that you called me Dr Anne in a comment you made to me on the Peking duck which suggests to me that you think i am just another MAJ creation. Sorry you think like that. I wont comment here again but i just want to say that i enjoyed the discussion i had with you here anyway but im offended and annoyed about being taken for being someone else. i thought i had found a friend here but it seems i was mistaken. ivan and richard accused me of being MAj too. So sad that people cant mention MAJ without being accused of being MAj. Guess it says something about human nature. Anyway thanks for the discussion and i won't pollute your site again.


42. ACB left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 4:31 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

I enjoy debate and discussion, even in the third persons, just so long as it is with one person per name. ROland is a good chat.

Plus, even if you use an anonymizer like anonymouse, I can still track you, just in a slightly more limited fasion.


43. roland left...
Tuesday, 7 February 2006 5:54 pm

ok. one last respone then. Roland is Roland. Roland Donaldson to be precise. and you can track me down and will see that im not in shenzhen, close to 5 hours away by train in fact. you people are just incredible, the way you treat guests with such suspicion and mistrust