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Beijing: No foreign casulties in Wenchuan Quake, welll..... almost none.

posted Sunday, 25 May 2008

One thing that has long amused ACB about the Mainland (Though Amused is not really the right word) is the way that it still separates foreigners out from the Mainland population as if they were some rare species, or as if they were some unusual curiosity. As noted by the below article published by Xinhua, which felt the need to headline the fact that "no foreigners" were killed in the Wenchuan earthquake.

However, as with all things Xinhua (another thing which "amuses" ACB about the Mainland), things aren't exactly as Xinhua would have you believe (More on this at the bottom of the page).

On a side note, ACB would like to draw readers attention to Paragraph 3. It may just be the standard of English at Xinhua (There are SO many stories on this topic), but it makes it sound a lot like a pair of Germans escaped the quake unhurt, but were later injured by those sent to rescue them.

From the pages of Xinhua

CHENGDU, May 24 (Xinhua) -- No foreigners have been reported dead in the May 12 destructive quake in southwest China's Sichuan Province, local authorities said Saturday.

The Sichuan Provincial Foreign Affairs Office said that as of 10 a.m. Friday, some 454 foreigners from 21 countries as well as compatriots from Hong Kong and Macao were rescued and transferred to safe places in the quake zone or adjacent areas.

Two German citizens were injured when they were rescued, it said.

The office said emergency rescue work for overseas people in Sichuan's quake-hit areas was immediately carried out after the quake, ensuring the safety of lives of foreigners and Hong Kong and Macao compatriots.

The 8.0-magnitude quake, which was centered in Wenchuan County, had left 60,560 dead nationwide as of Saturday noon, according to the Information Office of the State Council.


Foreigner: What's in a name?

ACB cannot help but wonder exactly how all encompassing the word "Foreigner" is in this case. Especially since this report makes no distinctions between Mainland Chinese and Taiwanese Chinese when it comes to death figures.

For example, this particular article fails to mention the death of 朱紹維 (Chu Shao-wei) a 4 year old Taiwanese boy who died in Mianzhu City when the house that he was in was destroyed by the quake, or the death of the 56 year old Taiwanese man who was killed at a tourist site on Dujiangyan Yeongam mountain.

ACB also like the way that anybody from Hong Kong and Macao is described as being a "compatriots". Apparently, Hong Kong and Macao are both immutable parts of China but their citizens somehow different from regular Chinese, yet not different enough to make them either foreigners or overseas Chinese. ACB wonders if it is their exposure to "foreign ways" that sets them apart from regular Chinese in Xinhua's eyes. Maybe it's something in the drinking water? It certainly can't be because they have been exposed to filthy foreign habits like democracy, as there isn't much of that in either location these days.

ACB can't help but ask the question "Had there been and casulties from Hong Kong and Macao, would they have been reported seperately: As they were when the survived, or would they be amalgamated into the Chinese death total exactly as the Taiwanese casulties were?"

The same goes for the Taiwanese deaths. Had there been none would this have been made a feature of the story, too?

Given this twisting of the death figures when it comes to Taiwanese, ACB wonders if Xinhua's announcement is really a genuine is a message of relief that no foreigners were hurt, or if it is more a message of reassurance, to Europeans and Americans, that China remains a safe place to live and work?

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1. 2lovelycake left...
Sunday, 25 May 2008 9:37 pm

When all the Chinese people are crying and worrying about the people,the human's lives,it is the same with all the jounalists. We all human being. If you have guests in your house, you must take care of them.So when we think about our own citizens, we still have the duty to tell all the people :our guests are safe. Taiwan is one part of China. It should be. To Chinese people,of course they will put it into the Chinese death total.


2. ACB left...
Sunday, 25 May 2008 10:09 pm

2lovelycake:

If Taiwanese are Chinese and are therefore included on the Chinese casualty list, why aren't Hong Kong and Macao people? Are you saying that Hong Kong and Macao people aren't true Chinese, but are instead simply people who live in China?


3. maxiewawa left...
Monday, 26 May 2008 8:56 am :: http://www.maxiewawa.com

One can always tell a Xinhua story by how they mention "foreigner and Chinese" people. I saw a report on a bridal expo that mentioned the "foreigner and Chinese" people who visited.

Weird.


4. geo left...
Wednesday, 28 May 2008 12:04 pm

as an American, whom has always had the greatest respect for China, am proud to share the planet with these tolerant, brave, ambitious, and family oriented people, may Buddha have pity on those whom have suffered their greatest loses, and may Buddha bring comfort to all their soles.


5. randall morgan left...
Thursday, 29 May 2008 10:09 am

All of the informed people of the world would mourn and feel great sadness at the loss that China and the world has suffered in the earthquake. Most people are not informed and have their photos of the quake damage censured. The USA does not post photos showing dead bodies. This distortion of the true loss in life is therefore diluted simply because words cannot express the horror and sadness at the loss of life. China is a proud country with a great history and the Chinese people truely wish to handle their own problems, but this type of natural disaster affects every human being. Please be tolerant of the words spoken by uninformed people. The hurt they inflict may be unintentional. I am an American in China. My wife is Chinese and we have our daughter with us in Beijing. I cannot look at the photos without wondering how I would feel if it were my wife or daughter in those photos. Our thoughts go out to those whom lost loved ones. Possessions in life may be replaced but a loss of someone you love, or even another human being you do not know should be mourned. A loss of life hurts all. China may have many problems with the overwhellming size of the earthquake that the worlds caring people would help with if allowed to do so. Not all foreigners are uncaring about the welfare of the Chinese people.

I applaud the work of the Chinese government and the efforts by your military to help with the rescue and recovery. Many governments could learn from this example that the military can be much more useful in helping than simply trained for fighting. I realize that many of the young soldiers had a difficult task since most are not married and have no children of their own, and yet they had the task of saving and recovering many bodies. A very difficult task but one they seem to be performing very well. Our thoughts are with China. Randall Morgan


6. Sonagi left...
Friday, 30 May 2008 10:14 am

<i>Most people are not informed and have their photos of the quake damage censured. </i>

Most people where? In the US? In the world?

<i>The USA does not post photos showing dead bodies. This distortion of the true loss in life is therefore diluted simply because words cannot express the horror and sadness at the loss of life. </i>

Seeing dead bodies is moving, but anyone who has experienced the death of a loved one ought to be able to empathize without seeing graphic images, which are not published in papers or on the front page of mainstream media websites but which are available in special photo essays labeled "warning: graphic content."

<i>My wife is Chinese and we have our daughter with us in Beijing. I cannot look at the photos without wondering how I would feel if it were my wife or daughter in those photos.</i>

I have no wife or children of any ethnicity yet can understand the pain and loss because I am a human being. China's earthquake stories move the world because they are of universal human appeal.


7. ACB left...
Saturday, 31 May 2008 3:31 am

"Most people are not informed and have their photos of the quake damage censured".......The USA does not post photos showing dead bodies.

Many Western news agencies prefer to show pictures of the spectacular devastation of cities rather than piles of bodies. Piles of bodies might be moving, but they generally move people to a less graphic news stations if they are shown in too much detail. I don't particularly want my children to turn on the news and see piles of dead bodies, and the networks know this. This is more self censorship for comercial reasons than government censorship. Also, if I were the relative of one of those dead bodies, I'm not sure that I'd want lots of foreigners to stare at them like they were some macabre exhibit.

On the other hand, I do know for a fact that there the US government and military have tried at length to prevent the publication of pictures of returning war dead and injured. In fact half of the pictures that we've seen had to be smuggled out of air bases where they were shipping the coffins back because the independent media was not given the access that it should have had.

I don't know if they were shown on US television, but I did see quite a pictures of New Orleans with dead bodies floating in the water or decomposing on the ground. They definitely were taken, and they definitely were shown on the networks of other countries.


8. 2lovelycake left...
Sunday, 1 June 2008 12:29 am

Dear ACB, thank you for your reply. But How could you know they havn't put Hongkong and Macao into the total number.Maybe,The newspaper is only wanna tell us the separate dead number of Hongkong and Macao.As you may know Hongkong and Macao is sepecial part of China, they have different political system. To myself , I always believe Taiwan is one part of China,and also the countries in UN all believe it. My university is in Shanghai, Now we have a big activity called the Chinese university theather festival. and students from all the Chinese university come to Shanghai and Beijing to play their own theatre and we can communicate the culture.Teachers and Students in Taiwan university also come as one part of Chinese people. Their theatre is as good as ours.We all speak the same launguage,we have the same culture,same ancestors,we have same feeling with theatre , we have the same color, even one of the taiwan student's father is my father's classmate in primary school . So How can you say Taiwan is not one part of China. You can not I think.


9. ACB left...
Sunday, 1 June 2008 1:51 am

2lovelycake:

"How could you know they havn't put Hongkong and Macao into the total number"

Because Xinhua, China's official and government controlled broadcaster said that they hadn't. Beijing listed the number differently, not me.

"As you may know Hongkong and Macao is sepecial part of China, they have different political system

So Hong Kong and Macao are special cases because they have different systems of government, but Taiwan isn't special even though it's political system is not only different but independent? Hong Kong and Macao are under indirect Mainland rule, but Taiwan has an independent democratic government. This is very very different.

"also the countries in UN all believe it"

No, though countries of the UN "say" it. This is different from believing it. For example, America says that Taiwan is part of China yet Taiwan isn't subject to the same weapons and technology embargoes as the Mainland, and it's much easier for somebody from Taiwan to get a US Visa than for somebody from the Mainland.

"We all speak the same launguage"

Actually, many (about 15 million) will speak 臺灣話 AND the 普通話 (known locally as 國語), but they won't speak 吳方言.

"we have the same culture"

Only up to a point. Taiwan was spared the cultural revolution so it retained some traditions that have since been lost or diluted on the Mainland, but it also has more influence from American and Japan.

"same ancestors"

1 in 10 is or is descended from somebody who fled from the Mainland. This isn't necessarily something that you should be proud of.

"one of the taiwan student's father is my father's classmate in primary school"

Ask him why he didn't grow up on the Mainland

"How can you say Taiwan is not one part of China"

I can say that Taiwan has an independent government. That is was never part of the PRC, and that the last time that it was under more than token Mainland rule was over 100 years ago. I can also say that I can get a direct flight from Shanghai to Hong Kong and Macao, but not to Taiwan, that foreigners require separate visa for Taiwan and the Mainland.

I can rent a boat and sail to Hainan island as I could rent a taxi to visit the next town, but if I were to try to do this to Taiwan Mainland authorities would try to stop me leaving, and Taiwanese authorities would try to stop me entering.


10. 2lovelycake left...
Monday, 9 June 2008 12:31 pm :: http://cntszyy.spaces.live.com

Dear ACB, I'm sorry that I'm so busy these days with my examination.I don't have time to come to your website and comment.

【"Because Xinhua, China's official and government controlled broadcaster said that they hadn't. Beijing listed the number differently, not me."】

ACB,sincerely,I really don't know why they don't list it ,if what you said is true,please give me some evidence.

【"So Hong Kong and Macao are special cases because they have different systems of government, but Taiwan isn't special even though it's political system is not only different but independent? "】

The reason Why we still can not control Taiwan is very simple. America's and Japan's goverments do not like,do not want,do not hope China to be what it should be. They think China is a danger in the future. They are "trying their best"to stop China's development while saying one China.

【"No, though countries of the UN "say" it. This is different from believing it. For example, America says that Taiwan is part of China yet Taiwan isn't subject to the same weapons and technology embargoes as the Mainland, and it's much easier for somebody from Taiwan to get a US Visa than for somebody from the Mainland."】

I have answer this question already. US is the strongest country in the world now I think. If it want to do sth.,it can even jump over the UN.such like Iraq wars and Afhan wars.I heard US will start war against Iran soon.Haha, no one can stop it maybe. but US goverment may do not wanna every one gonna angry with him,Taiwan is one part of China,but China is a danger,so they...

【"Actually, many (about 15 million) will speak 臺灣話 AND the 普通話 (known locally as 國語), but they won't speak 吳方言."】

Yes,but tell you the truth ,we can understand each other,

cos I donot know 吳方言 either,but I can live in Shanghai very very comfortble,most of the people can speak Mandrin here.and if they cannot ,they just need to write down,or ask a person pass by,he will know Mandrin .The Launguage is the same,the words is the same.The differences is the pronuciation and speaking habbits.My mother 's hometown is also belong to 吳方言 area not in Shanghai but in very poor area, I have been to there,I have no difficulties .You can try to learn Mandarin,then ancient Chinese language,then you will understand what I mean,吳方言is more like the ancient one. Mandarin is simple than that. Then 臺灣話 is much easy for us I think.I have Taiwan friends. It's OK I think.

【"Only up to a point. Taiwan was spared the cultural revolution so it retained some traditions that have since been lost or diluted on the Mainland, but it also has more influence from American and Japan."】

Why? Can you tell us why?Please!! why it can influenced by Japan and America? Why not American culture is influenced by China and Japan? You are smart, I think you know the history.it's not far away.

【"Ask him why he didn't grow up on the Mainland"】

  • My father's classmate's father and my grandpa are all good engineers at that time,and also good friends.so the kids like my father and the classmates are all in the same class.Why he can not come back cos Jiang Jieshi

do not allow his father to help Communist Party to rebuild,then Jiang Jieshi may have chance in the future to come back to mailand,cos he forced many talented people go to Taiwan. His party still wanted to come back to fight with Communist Party for the political rights.It was not conflict between two country,It was conflict between two party in China.

【When we talking about the ancestor"1 in 10 is or is descended from somebody who fled from the Mainland. This isn't necessarily something that you should be proud of."】

Oh,really? When are they fled from Mainland??It seems 1940s, right? but before 1940s,Taiwan,it is one part of China already.I think you need know more about the history. I'm sorry. Or we can not go on debating. Are you means that two parties fighting with each other for the political power,when the failed one escape to Taiwan,they are not Chinese any more?if not,then ,before they come,Taiwan is one part of China,do you mean that when the Chinese mailand people come, Taiwan is not belong to China any more?

  • Please,not kidding me!

What I wandered is that if George Bush failed at the selection years ago,will there be another America appeared today as what you said? If so, I still worried about Obama.If he wins the selection,there maybe another America appear. Isn't it terrible?

【"I can rent a boat and sail to Hainan island as I could rent a taxi to visit the next town, but if I were to try to do this to Taiwan Mainland authorities would try to stop me leaving, and Taiwanese authorities would try to stop me entering. "】 That's quite right.It is the situation we face now. If you are not strong enough ,you will be bullied by the stronger one,Chinese people know this discipline too late. So from 1840s ,there is endless wars in China. So many countries invaded in China and The nation had suffered so much that it will come to an end I believe.

So I think what can we do now,for myself,is to study hard and

try my best to make contribution to my country.China will not be a danger in the future I think.Cos we know how that feel when somebody bullied you. I hope there is no wars,no conflict in our world.I hope peace can be everywhere around us. I don't know if we can see the communism society which Marx planed for us realize one day.

Dear,ACB I felt you are not a bad person,maybe only have too much prejudice on China. I'm not the person who like debating,also I'm not good at it,not to mention all in English. But When I saw many times maybe you are wrong or not objective,and only stand on the anti-China's side,but not on both sides to comment, you know it's my responsibility to say something for my country. I can not escape. I'm sorry that my English may be a headache for you when you read all the words above.So many times we communicate by this way,Thanks for your patience,thanks for reading.Thanks for pay much attention on China as a foreignor.

my best A girl who is going to bed now,good night


11. Nevermind left...
Monday, 9 June 2008 3:33 pm

For some reasons, Taiwan has been separated from the mainland. But this won't last for long. Taiwan is and will always be a part of China. It's internal affair. Sorry for bad grammar. 由于某些原因,台湾一度从大陆分隔出去。不过这种状况不会持续很长时间。台湾自古以来都是中国领土。台湾问题是中国内政。


12. I'm Chinese left...
Monday, 9 June 2008 5:02 pm

I think it is fool to discuss the questions about Taiwan and Mainland. Without doubt, As we all know that Taiwan is a part of China, and it will come back one day. What's more, that day Taiwan come back won't be too long/ As a Chinese , I love my country whick is just like we love our mother. We don't allowed anybody who don't have any respect for our mother, and you included. My dear ACB, to be honest,I am really really very angry with your name. However, I think maybe there are some wrong prejudice you have on China. If so , I hope you could search time to come to China. You will get a new view to China . Our Chinese are really very hot and friendly. I come to you Zone for the first time, and my English is not very well . If there are some dispolition, I beg for you pardon. Hope you would love China as soon so possible. Thanks for your reading..........


13. MIKI left...
Monday, 9 June 2008 6:16 pm

DEAR ACB: I have to say that u've made something wrong.

I do not know why u put so much emphasis on the separate number of the casualties in the disaster. We did that just to show different situations in Wenchuan Quake. U know China has too much provinces so that we couldn't report all of them. Then H.K and Macao are in different political systems compared with the Mainland. So we do that like u have seen. But this doesn't mean that we don't share one collective nation.

For example, when we describe the universe, we always separate the earth from the other planets. Because we earth has lives on it. Could u say that it's not a part of the universe?

And we separate the numbers between foreigners and Chinese just of the same reason, and I believe we shall the same world. I think u do, too, don't u?


14. coco left...
Monday, 9 June 2008 7:26 pm

"Are you saying that Hong Kong and Macao people aren't true Chinese, but are instead simply people who live in China? " i am a girl who happens to be a chinese... is it really matter which country we belong to?


15. I'm Chinese left...
Tuesday, 10 June 2008 12:00 am

My dear ACB, as I see that you are a strange man. Think that anybody who aren't belong to your family, whether you will consider them as your guests. Similarly, our Chinese consider anybody who aren't Chinese as "foreigners". I don't think there is any wrong with it . Why did put so much emphaises on this word , what's worse, you use so bad words on China. We told you that no foreigners had been kill in the earthquake in order to tell you the fact that our Chinese people were friendly to our guests. We hope that our guest can be as friend as our Chinese, but not find bone in an egg just like this. You do really know what you find are so meanless, but you are always delight in this thing and never get tired of it .Please do what a person should but not find the meanlessly bone in this golden egg. Just hope you could have an equal view on China. However, if you are still not come to your senses, our Chinese people won't give up the fighting with the wrong thought like you .


16. ACB left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:42 am

"i am a girl who happens to be a chinese... is it really matter which country we belong to?"

It does when you are trying to get a Visa to the US.


17. ACB left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:44 am

miki0328xu:

You missed the point. Honk Kong and Macao Chinese are recorded separately because they lived, Taiwanese are not recorded seperately because they died. If Taiwanese Chinese people lived then they would have been recorded separately, too. It is only because they died that they are not.


18. ACB left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:50 am

I'm Chinese:

"As we all know that Taiwan is a part of China"

I suggest that you take this one up with Washington. Maybe you should ask them why Taiwanese can by American fighter planes and bombs, but Chinese can't.

"I love my country whick is just like we love our mother. We don't allowed anybody who don't have any respect for our mother, and you included."

If your mother were doing something that was making her hurt, would it not be great respect to stop her?

"I am really really very angry with your name"

Why? I am angry, and of China. Does it make you afraid that somebody can be of China and can say these things? Are people who know China not allowed to disagree with China? In my mind it is shameful to pretend that everything is perfect when everything is not. That is to be scared, and people of China should not be scared. China has 5000 years of history, the CCP has 50 years of history, what is old is truer China than what is new.


19. ACB left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:52 am

Nevermind:

Maybe it is not Taiwan that is separate of China, but China that is operate of Taiwan? Maybe Mainland should be brought back to Taiwan, not Taiwan back to Mainland.


20. ACB left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:57 am

2lovelycake:

Why bring Japan into this? Japan has not coveted Taiwan in 50+ year. It has no weapons to sell Taiwan, no embassy in Taiwan. In fact Taiwan is big competitor in computers and for the US dollar. It would help Japan if Taiwan were part of China as Japan would be America's only friend in Asia now that Korea hate America like it now does. America would have to pay it more money.


21. The Angry Chinese Blogger left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 4:22 am

2lovelycake:

我j看看这个""美国网络红人ACB公然叫嚣:台湾不是中国的一部分?

我非常生起. 我不是美国人,你没有面子在这里,汉奸.


22. 2lovelycake left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 7:42 am

Do you really know chinese well??I never said you are American,OK? I only said you are popular blog owner in USA. Do not try to show off your Chinese before me. 汉奸??Do you have the right to say that to me?? All many people who appeared here can say it to me,but exept you.

Your words is so rude and never polite as I knew before.I tell my friends you are wise and polite so I wanna go on with you.

Answer your question: Every thing is not absolute,I'm sure you know. The relationship on political things may be much more complecated. Countries all have to face contradiction.So as America,so as Japan.Is that right?? Do not if you can catch me.Thank you


23. coco left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 8:43 pm

"...Visa to the US" u r a down-to-earth person. @ too much fighting here. i like ur article. if i am the chinese government, i won't exclude Taiwanese as well. that is political strategy. i didn't notice that before. people post their comments here pleas read the article thoroughly!!~ too much relentless arguement here... why cant we accept others with different views?


24. MIKI left...
Wednesday, 11 June 2008 9:31 pm

ACB: <"Honk Kong and Macao Chinese are recorded separately because they lived, Taiwanese are not recorded seperately because they died. If Taiwanese Chinese people lived then they would have been recorded separately, too. ">

So that what u really want to say? How do u know whether they lived or died? But there is one thing to be true that only one China is in the world.


25. ACB left...
Friday, 13 June 2008 4:59 am

miki0328xu:

"How do u know whether they lived or died?"

Their names are state secrets. Their deaths were reported on elsewhere.


26. ACB left...
Friday, 13 June 2008 5:02 am

Everybody:

Before people embarrass themselves any more than they already have I suggest that they actually read the entry that I wrote. And when I say "read" I mean that they read it in English, not translate it with some free internet translation program.

If you actually read what I wrote you will see that I did not say, as some believe, that Taiwan was not part of China. What I actually said was "why are Hong Kong and Macao treated differently?"

Can anybody answer me this? What are people from Hong Kong and Macao mentioned separately from Mainlanders and Taiwanese?


27. MIKI left...
Friday, 13 June 2008 7:03 pm

ACB: <"why are Hong Kong and Macao treated differently?" >

I think that some of us have already answered u. Because H.K and Macao are in different political systems compared with the Mainland. And this doesn't mean that we don't share one collective nation. Have u heard of "一国两制"?


28. The Angry Chinese Blogger left...
Sunday, 15 June 2008 4:14 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

miki0328xu:

But Taiwan ALSO has a "different political system". In fact Taiwan's political system is more different than Hong Kong and Macao. You have not answered the all important question "Why is Taiwan treated differently from Hong Kong and Macao?"


29. The Angry Chinese Blogger left...
Sunday, 15 June 2008 4:23 pm :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com

张圆圆:

Maybe you would like to come over here yourself rather than hiding at http://club.xiaonei.com/.

Maybe you would also like to stop using a computer translator and to actually read the entry that I wrote. You seem to have missed the key point. This being the question of why Hong Kong and Macao are treated differently by the Beijing government. Is Beijing not saying that they are different from Taiwan? How can you support a government that says that there is only one China but which tells foreigners that that Hong Kong and Macao are different?

Maybe you are saying what you say for political reasons, maybe it is you who believes that there is not one China?