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posted Monday, 16 June 2008
As regular readers will know, if there is one thing that grabs ACB's imagination it is the a creative story about a conspiracy. It doesn't have to be a real conspiracy, or even credible conspiracy. Just so long as its a good story full of twists, turns, and intrigue, because, after all, it is the story that ACB loves above all else.
One recent conspiracy that came to ACB's mind of late is that of the "False Flag Fenqing": Are they real? If so, who are they, what do they want, and how many of them are there? In fact, do they even exist?
Of course, a good place to start might be to explain what a False Flag Fenqing is in the first place. So here is a little background information.
What is a Fenqing?
Fenqing (憤青) is short for Fennu Qingnian (憤怒青年) which literally translates to "Angry Youth".
In times gone the phrase was used to describe somebody whom banged the drum of change a little too loudly because they were fed up with the way that the world around them was going. A youth radical or activist, if you will.
However, today, the term is primarily used to refer to disaffected Chinese youth (mostly male) whom use aggressive nationalism as an outlet for their anger at the world in general, and often their place in it in particular.
Your typical Fenqing believes with a passion that Taiwan and Tibet "are" and "always will be" a part of China, that China's ills are primarily the result of foreign countries (Mostly Japan and the US) purposefully keeping China down, and there are few prices too big to pay for national unity, including those paid in blood (Mostly the blood of those who oppose unity).
They also believe that anything that anything that happens within what they believe are China's borders is an internal affair that foreigners have not right to comment upon. Even if it does involve land reform activists and electric stun batons, or landing craft and Taiwanese beaches.
What does False Flag Mean?
In a general context False Flag means to do something untoward while pretending to be somebody else. An action which is sometime done to conceal your involvement in something murky, or in order to provoke an incident that you can use as an excuse for something that you wish to do, but which would otherwise be politically awkward to do.
A good example from the world of real life-conspiracies is America's much maligned Operation Northwoods: A conspiracy that was planned but never executed, under which American agents were to stage a fake attack on US interests that would be blamed on Cuba. An incident which would then be used as an excuse to launch a military attack on the island. Equally, a good example drawn from the world of the untrue-conspiracy is the belief that the CIA and/or Mossad were the real perpetrators of the the 9/11 attacks, and that they planned them as an enabling act for the invasion of Iraq, and maybe even a future war with Iran.
In this context, however, it's best to think of False Flag as meaning a Double Agent. Somebody pretending to work for one side but, in reality, is working for the other.
Fake Fenqing?
A few years back rumors began to circulate that the Chinese government was employing teams of agents whom would pretend to be Fenqing, and who would scour the Internet looking for likely message board and blogs.
According to the rumors, if they found a site/entry that was both receptive and nationalistic they would seed it with supportive messages acting to encourage it and to support the views of its author, but if they found a site/entry that was critical of Beijing or its official state line on history, society or politics then they would seed it with comments denigrating the site/entry and its author in a nationalist way.
The intent of these agents, these Fake Fenqing, so the rumor went, was to making it appear that there was stronger support for the state line than there in truth was, and to make out that those who did not support the state line were a heavily criticized minority, even if they were not.
They wrote like regular Fenqing and they acted like regular Fenqing, but they in reality were calculating adults in the pay of Beijing rather than angry young men acting on their own misplaced emotions.
At the time this rumor created a few ripples, but when it was later shown to be accurate not to many people were surprised because it was in line with Beijing's other practices the web. Instead of just deleting offending messages, they posted messages of their own.
However, if this latest conspiracy proves to be true (And ACB isn't saying that it will), it would appear that Chinese agents are not the only ones pretending to be Fenqing. Indeed, next time you read a Chinese post that is so aggressively nationalistic that you start to see red (In the Western sense, that is), you might wish to stop and consider whether said post was placed there precisely for that reason, not to mention who posted the post, and for what reason?
False Flag Fenqing?
Now we get down to the real question "What", exactly, "is a False Flag Fenqing?".
Who are They?
To start with, a False Fenqing isn't the same as a Fake Fenqing (see above). While a Fake Fenqing isn't a genuine Fenqing, they at least are on the same side. Both are Chinese, both are nationalistic, and both believe that they are doing what is best for China. Their beliefs might not be well grounded, but they are accurately reflected in their writings on the web.
A False Flag Fenqing, however, is not necessarily Chinese. At least not Mainland Chinese. They might claim to be Mainland but in reality they may be Taiwanese, or overseas-Chinese, or even (like you didn't know this was coming) Chinese-speaking-Japanese. Many more could even be Americans and other foreigners who purposefully write in broken English because they speak no Chinese, and thus could not pass for Chinese any other way.
What Do they Do?
In brief, a False Flag Fenqing does exactly what a real Fenqing would do. They find a likely message board or blog (or even start up their own), and they write with nationalistic a vengeance.
When not seeding the web with nationalist commentary False Flag Fenqing will act in support of Real Fenqing. Backing up their web commentary and Supporting them by attempting to put down or discredit those whom would speak to against them.
However, while a Fenqing might spout a heavily nationalistic line and believe it, a False Flag Fenqing is quite different. They don't believe what they write. In fact, they believe quite the opposite.
You see, a False Flag Fenqing are not Chinese nationalists. They are the antipathies of a Chinese nationalist and hate Chinese nationalism with a passion.
Why Do It?
"Why would somebody who hates Chinese nationalists pretend to be one?", you might well ask. Well the answer is simple. False Flag Fenqing have two purposes. To make China look bad in the eyes of foreigners, and to encourage real Fenqing to do the same.
For example, while most real Fenqing might say that China would be prepared to sacrifice the lives of its solider "to prevent Taiwan from ceding from the Mainland", a False Flag Fenqing might go the extra distance and encourage the real Fenqing to start talking about bombing America, or about using American citizens in China as human shields. The do it because they want to encourage other Fenqing to go that extra distance knowing thatit will make them look bad, or because they want foreigners to read their comments and think badly of Chinese because of it.
Put simply, they want to get content onto the internet that will make foreigners angry at China and if they can't get others to put it up, they will put it there themselves.
Another task of a False Flag Fenqing might be to discredit real Fenqing by making them sound ridiculous (Well, more ridiculousness than normal) by using even more laughably flawed logic than a real Fenqing would use, and even more laughable arguments. Take Tiananmen Square, for example. In the West everybody knows roughly what happened at Tiananmen Square. Even if they don't know the actual details they know about "the bit with tanks and the students". Well, a False Flag Fenqing might set out to deny the massacre this in a way that makes them sound like a brainwashed slave to "Red China" whose reading off of a script, or they might deny that the Tiananmen massacre happened "because everybody died in side streets". They might even try to justify the massacre by claiming that the students were on the CIA payroll, or that the dead were soldiers who dressed as civilians in order to flee the mob, but were killed anyway.
Equally, while there are many real messages of hate left by real Fenqing, most are on websites that foreigners never visit, if only because said foreign audience can't speak Chinese. It's therefore much easier for a False Flag Fenqing to simply write their own post of hate, and then to point to it as "evidence" that the Chinese are pounding on the gate with murder in their eyes.
You could search for “Tiananmen Square” on Youtube and come across hundreds of conveniently placed messages from Chinese nationalists denying that it happened, or stating that it was justifiable in the name of stability. But do you really know if they were written by Chinese nationalists, or by foreigners looking to provoke an argument somewhere that they knew other foreigners would come?
The point is, they pretend to be Fenqing in order to make Fenqing look even worse than they already do.
How Many are There?
So how many False Flag Fenqing are there?
Ah, and this is the beauty of a conspiracy, nobody knows. There may be hundreds or there may be thousands, or maybe there are even hundreds of thousands: All tapping away at their keyboards, trying to coax that little extra bit of hate out of the real Fenqing, just to make China look bad.
Of course, since this is a conspiracy, there may even be none at all. Not one. False Flag Fenqing might not exist.
They might be a silly idea dreamed up by a random foreigner out to create mischief.
They could be a scape goat created by real Fenqing who have woken up to the fact that some of their fellow nationalists are making them look like a pack of rabid dogs, and who decided that they best way to explain their vociferous ranting was to paint them as being foreigner pretending to be Chinese.
They might even be the result of people checking up on the IP addresses of poster who claim to be Chinese and finding that they have foreign IP addresses, but not stopping to think that maybe said IP is a proxy server, or that said Chinese might be studying abroad.
It's a conspiracy, just let your mind run riot.
The Truth?
The truth, who know? ACB certainly can't say how many foreigners out there are pretending to be Chinese nationalists.
Firstly, it would be very hard, if not impossible, to get an accurate figure and, finally, it would spoil the fun of the conspiracy to do so.
Whether you believe in the False Flag Fenqing conspiracy is real, or whether you think that it's complete garbage dreamed up by somebody with their own agenda, ACB hopes that reading this entry will at least cause readers to pause for a moment and to give some thought to the person on the other end of the website that they are commenting upon. Who are they? what is their agenda? and are they trying to inform you, to goad you, or to herd you?
ACB also hopes that if nothing else this entry it will draw more people into the wonderful world of the conspiracy. Such as the Cover up-Conspiracy: One of the few times when a complete lack of evidence can be claimed to be evidence in itself.
Enjoy.
One recent conspiracy that came to ACB's mind of late is that of the "False Flag Fenqing": Are they real? If so, who are they, what do they want, and how many of them are there? In fact, do they even exist?
Of course, a good place to start might be to explain what a False Flag Fenqing is in the first place. So here is a little background information.
What is a Fenqing?
Fenqing (憤青) is short for Fennu Qingnian (憤怒青年) which literally translates to "Angry Youth".
In times gone the phrase was used to describe somebody whom banged the drum of change a little too loudly because they were fed up with the way that the world around them was going. A youth radical or activist, if you will.
However, today, the term is primarily used to refer to disaffected Chinese youth (mostly male) whom use aggressive nationalism as an outlet for their anger at the world in general, and often their place in it in particular.
Your typical Fenqing believes with a passion that Taiwan and Tibet "are" and "always will be" a part of China, that China's ills are primarily the result of foreign countries (Mostly Japan and the US) purposefully keeping China down, and there are few prices too big to pay for national unity, including those paid in blood (Mostly the blood of those who oppose unity).
They also believe that anything that anything that happens within what they believe are China's borders is an internal affair that foreigners have not right to comment upon. Even if it does involve land reform activists and electric stun batons, or landing craft and Taiwanese beaches.
What does False Flag Mean?
In a general context False Flag means to do something untoward while pretending to be somebody else. An action which is sometime done to conceal your involvement in something murky, or in order to provoke an incident that you can use as an excuse for something that you wish to do, but which would otherwise be politically awkward to do.
A good example from the world of real life-conspiracies is America's much maligned Operation Northwoods: A conspiracy that was planned but never executed, under which American agents were to stage a fake attack on US interests that would be blamed on Cuba. An incident which would then be used as an excuse to launch a military attack on the island. Equally, a good example drawn from the world of the untrue-conspiracy is the belief that the CIA and/or Mossad were the real perpetrators of the the 9/11 attacks, and that they planned them as an enabling act for the invasion of Iraq, and maybe even a future war with Iran.
In this context, however, it's best to think of False Flag as meaning a Double Agent. Somebody pretending to work for one side but, in reality, is working for the other.
Fake Fenqing?
A few years back rumors began to circulate that the Chinese government was employing teams of agents whom would pretend to be Fenqing, and who would scour the Internet looking for likely message board and blogs.
According to the rumors, if they found a site/entry that was both receptive and nationalistic they would seed it with supportive messages acting to encourage it and to support the views of its author, but if they found a site/entry that was critical of Beijing or its official state line on history, society or politics then they would seed it with comments denigrating the site/entry and its author in a nationalist way.
The intent of these agents, these Fake Fenqing, so the rumor went, was to making it appear that there was stronger support for the state line than there in truth was, and to make out that those who did not support the state line were a heavily criticized minority, even if they were not.
They wrote like regular Fenqing and they acted like regular Fenqing, but they in reality were calculating adults in the pay of Beijing rather than angry young men acting on their own misplaced emotions.
At the time this rumor created a few ripples, but when it was later shown to be accurate not to many people were surprised because it was in line with Beijing's other practices the web. Instead of just deleting offending messages, they posted messages of their own.
However, if this latest conspiracy proves to be true (And ACB isn't saying that it will), it would appear that Chinese agents are not the only ones pretending to be Fenqing. Indeed, next time you read a Chinese post that is so aggressively nationalistic that you start to see red (In the Western sense, that is), you might wish to stop and consider whether said post was placed there precisely for that reason, not to mention who posted the post, and for what reason?
False Flag Fenqing?
Now we get down to the real question "What", exactly, "is a False Flag Fenqing?".
Who are They?
To start with, a False Fenqing isn't the same as a Fake Fenqing (see above). While a Fake Fenqing isn't a genuine Fenqing, they at least are on the same side. Both are Chinese, both are nationalistic, and both believe that they are doing what is best for China. Their beliefs might not be well grounded, but they are accurately reflected in their writings on the web.
A False Flag Fenqing, however, is not necessarily Chinese. At least not Mainland Chinese. They might claim to be Mainland but in reality they may be Taiwanese, or overseas-Chinese, or even (like you didn't know this was coming) Chinese-speaking-Japanese. Many more could even be Americans and other foreigners who purposefully write in broken English because they speak no Chinese, and thus could not pass for Chinese any other way.
What Do they Do?
In brief, a False Flag Fenqing does exactly what a real Fenqing would do. They find a likely message board or blog (or even start up their own), and they write with nationalistic a vengeance.
- They support Beijing's policies to a fault
- They slavishly follow Beijing's state line on history, society and politics, even when it makes no sense
- They denigrate anybody who speaks out against any of the above. Constantly demanding "proof", yet accepting none as valid, and constantly dismissing any argument laid against them as being the words of a traitor, an ignorant foreigner, or as being the voice of a lone individual with their own political agenda to play
When not seeding the web with nationalist commentary False Flag Fenqing will act in support of Real Fenqing. Backing up their web commentary and Supporting them by attempting to put down or discredit those whom would speak to against them.
However, while a Fenqing might spout a heavily nationalistic line and believe it, a False Flag Fenqing is quite different. They don't believe what they write. In fact, they believe quite the opposite.
You see, a False Flag Fenqing are not Chinese nationalists. They are the antipathies of a Chinese nationalist and hate Chinese nationalism with a passion.
Why Do It?
"Why would somebody who hates Chinese nationalists pretend to be one?", you might well ask. Well the answer is simple. False Flag Fenqing have two purposes. To make China look bad in the eyes of foreigners, and to encourage real Fenqing to do the same.
For example, while most real Fenqing might say that China would be prepared to sacrifice the lives of its solider "to prevent Taiwan from ceding from the Mainland", a False Flag Fenqing might go the extra distance and encourage the real Fenqing to start talking about bombing America, or about using American citizens in China as human shields. The do it because they want to encourage other Fenqing to go that extra distance knowing thatit will make them look bad, or because they want foreigners to read their comments and think badly of Chinese because of it.
Put simply, they want to get content onto the internet that will make foreigners angry at China and if they can't get others to put it up, they will put it there themselves.
Another task of a False Flag Fenqing might be to discredit real Fenqing by making them sound ridiculous (Well, more ridiculousness than normal) by using even more laughably flawed logic than a real Fenqing would use, and even more laughable arguments. Take Tiananmen Square, for example. In the West everybody knows roughly what happened at Tiananmen Square. Even if they don't know the actual details they know about "the bit with tanks and the students". Well, a False Flag Fenqing might set out to deny the massacre this in a way that makes them sound like a brainwashed slave to "Red China" whose reading off of a script, or they might deny that the Tiananmen massacre happened "because everybody died in side streets". They might even try to justify the massacre by claiming that the students were on the CIA payroll, or that the dead were soldiers who dressed as civilians in order to flee the mob, but were killed anyway.
Equally, while there are many real messages of hate left by real Fenqing, most are on websites that foreigners never visit, if only because said foreign audience can't speak Chinese. It's therefore much easier for a False Flag Fenqing to simply write their own post of hate, and then to point to it as "evidence" that the Chinese are pounding on the gate with murder in their eyes.
You could search for “Tiananmen Square” on Youtube and come across hundreds of conveniently placed messages from Chinese nationalists denying that it happened, or stating that it was justifiable in the name of stability. But do you really know if they were written by Chinese nationalists, or by foreigners looking to provoke an argument somewhere that they knew other foreigners would come?
The point is, they pretend to be Fenqing in order to make Fenqing look even worse than they already do.
How Many are There?
So how many False Flag Fenqing are there?
Ah, and this is the beauty of a conspiracy, nobody knows. There may be hundreds or there may be thousands, or maybe there are even hundreds of thousands: All tapping away at their keyboards, trying to coax that little extra bit of hate out of the real Fenqing, just to make China look bad.
Of course, since this is a conspiracy, there may even be none at all. Not one. False Flag Fenqing might not exist.
They might be a silly idea dreamed up by a random foreigner out to create mischief.
They could be a scape goat created by real Fenqing who have woken up to the fact that some of their fellow nationalists are making them look like a pack of rabid dogs, and who decided that they best way to explain their vociferous ranting was to paint them as being foreigner pretending to be Chinese.
They might even be the result of people checking up on the IP addresses of poster who claim to be Chinese and finding that they have foreign IP addresses, but not stopping to think that maybe said IP is a proxy server, or that said Chinese might be studying abroad.
It's a conspiracy, just let your mind run riot.
The Truth?
The truth, who know? ACB certainly can't say how many foreigners out there are pretending to be Chinese nationalists.
Firstly, it would be very hard, if not impossible, to get an accurate figure and, finally, it would spoil the fun of the conspiracy to do so.
Whether you believe in the False Flag Fenqing conspiracy is real, or whether you think that it's complete garbage dreamed up by somebody with their own agenda, ACB hopes that reading this entry will at least cause readers to pause for a moment and to give some thought to the person on the other end of the website that they are commenting upon. Who are they? what is their agenda? and are they trying to inform you, to goad you, or to herd you?
ACB also hopes that if nothing else this entry it will draw more people into the wonderful world of the conspiracy. Such as the Cover up-Conspiracy: One of the few times when a complete lack of evidence can be claimed to be evidence in itself.
Enjoy.
View Comments/Add a Comment (25)
1. The Xinhua Free Press left...
Monday, 16 June 2008 2:52 am
Chinese online agents use racism and other vile tactics to try to taint
those who critique Chinese policies and actions. This helps discredit
valid criticism and garner support for Beijing from overseas Chinese
communities. Everybody underestimates the importance of and effort
devoted to propaganda in China, both domestically and abroad.
2. ACB left...
Monday, 16 June 2008 3:44 am
So, wouldn't it be plausible to say that foreigners might do something
similar?
3. 2lovelycake left...
Monday, 16 June 2008 4:01 am
ACB,
If you wanna know more about Fenqing, I suggest you to see a website called
Fenqing. It's famous.You'd better look over it before you write something.
2lovelycake
4. ACB left...
Monday, 16 June 2008 4:44 am
2lovelycake:
5. 2lovelycake left...
Monday, 16 June 2008 5:02 am
I think you should comsider CNN problem from all things. To Chinese
people,they boycott CNN this time is true. Not only CNN.They can.cos to us
,CNN is not popular in China. After this , CNN will be much unpopular than
before.
But to Western people,I'm not sure. But I'm in America for exchange
now,CNN is not popular too I think.There are so many channels on TV.
But from what I saw,People who boycott CNN is not only Chinese but also
American.When we go to San Francisco to see the Olympic Torch relay,I saw
many foreignors ware surgical masks which is writen CNN with a big red
cross on it. I'm moved by them.
ACB,I think it is hard to define a think is amusing or good or bad.To
Chinese people I think they used to consider western media more objective
and fare,but from this time,I think most of them changed. They will never
deeply believe media both in China and Western media anymore.It is a good
thing for them to open their mind I think.
best wishes.
2lovelycake
6. The Xinhua Free Press left...
Monday, 16 June 2008 8:32 pm
ACB, sure plausible but no one has the infrastructure China does to do so
in an organized way (nor the interest). Your article raises a number of
great points, but the real story is the other way around. Chinese
propaganda is a big industry and its going global.
7. 2lovelycake left...
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 2:19 am
ACB,
the wireless I use is belong to my apartment or my school. We don't need
to pay for it.Now I'm in my school.Do you know where I am? Haha.
reading your passsage is free to me in China.Cos I know your blog from
China.
China is getting better now. Don't you believe it? maybe you envy
us.Haha
2lovelycake
8. ACB left...
Wednesday, 18 June 2008 3:53 am
2lovelycake:
9. ACB left...
Wednesday, 18 June 2008 3:58 am
The Xinhua Free Press:
10. ACB left...
Wednesday, 18 June 2008 4:18 am
2lovelycake:
11. Job left...
Thursday, 19 June 2008 8:40 pm
It's not so much of a puzzle if you know numerous fenqing spouting extreme
illogical nonsense in person. Granted, in this situation certainty comes at
the cost of geographic specificity (are the youth in -insert other city
here- this crazy?) but at the very least it tells me that somewhere a
number of fenqing are capable of believing such things and so people saying
stuff like that on the internet (where people tend to come across even more
extreme, and dumber, than in real life) is not really unlikely.
12. 2lovelycake left...
Friday, 20 June 2008 6:42 am
ACB,
but I'm not good at computer.I never hide my own IP address. I don't
understand why you say that. I never hide something to you or to the people
around me.I 'm sincere I think .
I don't mean that you envy me live in western country.I mean I'm proud of
be a Chinese.
What you said about the arrest things,I don't know.But if it is true,then
it already proved that China is changing better now. Cos I never gain any
warns about the internet.We are free to see your blog.China is changing.
do you understand me?
13. Sonagi left...
Friday, 20 June 2008 12:30 pm
Interesting post. Government-sponsored internet commenters aren't unique
to China, of course. The US is alleged to have used them without success
on Arabic-language forums. Likewise, every major forum has its trolls who
create a false identity to make other members of that group look bad.
That group might be another nationality, ethnicity, or political
orientation.
14. dave zimmerman left...
Saturday, 21 June 2008 2:08 am
I think the idea of non-chinese posing as angry young chinese is on the
same level as chinese hackers attacking the american power grid.
15. ACB left...
Saturday, 21 June 2008 7:40 pm
2lovelycake:
16. ACB left...
Saturday, 21 June 2008 7:45 pm
dave zimmerman:
17. ACB left...
Saturday, 21 June 2008 8:03 pm
Sonagi:
18. Sonagi left...
Sunday, 22 June 2008 12:51 am
Will check out Independent Television News, thanks. Always looking for
objective, informative news sources.
19. Xinhua Free Press left...
Monday, 23 June 2008 7:37 pm
ACB, there's a difference between an organized, biased dissemination of
information and a commonality of views. Aggregating a "western" view of
the world is silly. BBC or CNN has its own infrastructure, but "the west"
does not. In China, propaganda does indeed have an expanding
infrastructure, and its not a conspiracy but a government initiative. If
China were "aping the west" it would allow the media free reign to
criticize and contradict. No one serious suggest that's happening in China
right now.
20. Lord of the Fens left...
Wednesday, 30 July 2008 9:53 am
我是愤青大王，Oliver Trollwell, 中国最危险的外国网特。 My secret duty is to stir up
nationalist sentiments in Chinese forums, posing as a Chinese lad in
Liaoning province.
Yes, Dave Zimmerman, there is a small squad of Caucasian clandestine forum
agents,
都会说一口非常流利的普通话 (who can all speak extremely fluent Mandarin).
Don't worry, China! We have no plans to attack the Beijing Olympic power
grid.
21. The Angry Chinese Blogger left...
Thursday, 31 July 2008 5:10 am :: http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com
OK, but mom says not to stay out too late on a school night.
22. Ant left...
Saturday, 9 August 2008 9:38 am :: http://chineseantfarm.blogspot.com/
Fascinating, ACB. My question is how did you catch wind of this
conspiracy? Did you yourself deduce that there is a false fenqing
movement, or did you read or about it elsewhere first. If the latter,
please inform me of the source of this rumor. By the way, a very well done
job on this post. I will be back. You may visit my blog, if you like.
23. ACB left...
Saturday, 9 August 2008 4:08 pm
Ant:
24. Ant left...
Saturday, 16 August 2008 1:41 am :: http://www.chineseantfarm.blogspot.com
Thank you for the quality response. I sense that you are right about the
nebulousness of this conspiracy's origins. Like so many other
conspiracy's, it can't be cornered. Nonetheless, I think that there may be
a couple of wing-nuts out there posing as fenqing who are not even remotely
fenqing, and doing so for the very reasons that you describe. Thanks.
Come visit the Ant sometime on his Farm.
25. ACB left...
Saturday, 16 August 2008 5:24 am
Ant: