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"We will not accept her [Tashi 's] entry if she participates as Miss Tibet," Alaric Soh, Organizer, Miss Tourism pageant, Malaysia |
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"Miss Tibet, Tashi Yangchen, made all the preparations but now she is
not participating at this year's Miss Tourism Pageant in Malaysia
because the organiser of the Miss Tourism Pageant 2005 required Miss
Tibet to participate as Miss Tibet-China," Ngawang Samdup, spokesperson, Miss Tibet pageant |
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”we do not want to have anything to do with their [China's] internal issues," Alaric Soh |
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“China is meddling in the event with political motives." Ngawang Samdup |
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The UK and the US worked hard to separate Tibet from China since 19th
century.
So sad, I would vote for Tashi if I had a vote. I hope the indigenous
Tibetans can maintain their local culture. A beauty pageant is colorful
and could be potentially harmless.
You've missed several key facts but I don't have tim e to go into them
know. What you seem to have forgotten though is that the Tibetan people
don't want to be controlled from Beijing, and that Beijing has is
committing slow genocide against Tibet's culture and people.
The Dalai Lama hasn't refused to back Tibetan independance, he has made a
choice not to give China the excuse that it needs to further crack down on
Tibet. He is saving his people by not encouraging thm to fight a battle
that cannot be won against a much larger enemy. In his heart, he wants a
Tibet that is free of Beijing.
"what is left of your country is an outdated relic that you are giving up
of your own free will."
Why Dalai Lama wears live-frayed human skins and drinks freshly killed
slave brain?
Nope, Tibet and China. Though there are a lot of imilarities, like the body
counts and the armored vehicles being sent in by an unwanted invading army
that is trying to tell the invadee that the invasion is in its own
interests.
Dalai Lama and Mahatma Gandhi have alot in common, but Dalai Lama has
better sense of humor.
In old Tibet under the dictatorship of Dalai, nothing was known about basic
hygiene, sanitation, or the fact that germs caused disease. For ordinary
people, there were no outhouses, sewers or toilets. The lamas taught that
disease and death were caused by sinful "impiety." They said that chanting,
obedience, paying monks money and swallowing prayer scrolls was the only
real protection from disease.
To serf,
Most of what you just wrote sounds like China. I was here during SARS and believe me most Chinese also don't know much about "basic hygiene,sanitation or germs" Go watch the Han "cleaners" use a mop to clean a toilet then go clean a classroom with the same mop while picking both nostrils!
Most cultures had these "unscientific" ideas at one time or another. Think about it, duh.
To angry Chinese fool,
Do you know about the 200 dead and buried Chinese (Han) soldiers that are in a cemetery in Estonia? Why are they there? Peaceful friendship? I think not.
Basicly, you are saying that Tibet was little different from either India
and China, or even the slums of London and New york at the time. You're
talking about the situation a hundred years ago as if Tibet was
particularly backwards when compaired to its neighbors.
Serf:
Interesting comments on this one, however some seem to be off topic.
Serf appears to be a bit unhinged, they have been posting messages to this
site using other people's tags including my own.
I have an Estonia friend (historian, anthropologists (spell?)and is now
studying Tibetology in China,Tibet and Indiana Un. I've known him for about
ten years. I trust him a great deal. He has told me about how ,when the
then, USSR and PRC were friends China sent some 3 or 400 Chinese soldiers
to help put down a rebellion in Estonia, I guess to give the soldiers some
experience. He (my friend) said that in a cemetery near Tallin they are
buried there (200). It's one of those lost moments in history. Sorry if
that is not enough. I believe my friend and I think he knows what it's like
to be occupied my another nation. I think that is one of the reasons he has
a great interest in Tibet. Maybe I can get better info about this later.
I'd be very interested in this if you could find out any more.
To The Angry Chinese: Hehehe, I did remotely loged into a NY school server
to post. It is a self-protection mechanism.
Update, To ACB
I called my Estonian friend today and he set me straight about that event in Estonia. My dating was off. It happened in 1919. They were early Chinese communists. They wanted to help spread the manifesto bull[Edit}. There was an uprising in Estonia to regain their liberty from Russia. He said that several hundred Chinese went to Estonia, many, maybe more than half were killed by Estonians. At first, my friend states, that Estonians were frightened because they had never seen Chinese before but after the first shock and the fact Chinese couldn't fight very well they (the Estonians) beat them. My friend said more Chinese were sent to fight the Czechs at that time than in Estonia. I was also wrong about the location of the cemetery. It was not in Tallin but another city in Estonia but I am not sure of the name. Maybe it is the second biggest city. Maybe someday these things will be more widely known. He said most Estonians know this event. Estonians are cool, IMHO:)
I know China bashing is overdone sometimes, but when I read about things
like this, it makes me pissed off enough to open my mouth. Who the [Edit}
do they think they are? Beijing has no right, no scruples, and no shame.
[Edit} them. I hope the people responsible for this and decisions like
this kick the bucket soon, and when they die, I hope they die alone and
sad. The human cost, the cost of so many hundreds of millions of lives
impeded by the daily bull[Edit} it takes to pander to a few crusty
[Edit}tards' armed and dangerous egos, is far too much, and they deserve
exactly what they'll get when history catches up to them. Their legacies
will be soiled, their families most likely are dysfunctional and painful,
and their heads are filled with expensive delusions.
Suny Institute of Technology in Utica? That rings a bell.
I think that we've been subjected to the same loon. He's either;
A whole load of nasty stuff about Chinese being superior and inventing
toilet paper and westners being so dense that they used to eat their own
feacies. Only with a few more cuss words.
ACB, Shenzhen Ren, Sam_S, has been having similar trouble with a NY troll.
I think he's doing something about it. Also The Three T's and Paper Tiger
have had the same troll which might be this one here.
ACB, the commentor above "Angry Chinese Fool" has plagiarised at least some
of what they wrote above. I Goolged a couple of random sentences (see
Google
links below) and they both came up.
I have his IP, and he appears to have used it on other sites, he's also
posted under three different names here using the same address. Not too
clever that.
Yes, they (Chinese) "invented" "toilet paper" but just the emperor had it
(that's the Chinese political system for ya!). The rest of them had to
squat with the pigs and use their fingers or leaves. It took an Italian
American to create the "roll" that most of the world uses now. We (Western
civilization) also are at least smart enough to use a proper working toilet
that doesn't keep the poop in the bowl for the next person to see and
smell. I guess highly developed cultures like to look at others crap! Go to
China, a country that has public toilets one can find with your eyes
closed, just follow the smell. Very sorry, I know this is quite off-topic.
Go! Miss Tibet!!
Soh..."we do not want to have anything to do with their (China's) internal
issues",... sounds like Soh's group has already sided with China.
I'm surprised that you don't mind commenters cutting+pasting from academic
articles on the www like Angry Chinese Fool. Oh well, it's your site I
suppose.
It does tick me off a bit when somebody does it without using the normal
etiquette for posting quotations, but in the end it is the argument that
counts, who made it isn't that important.
Here is a link that I mentioned before in other blog. It is a antique map
for sell on eBay.
Both the US and Britain made maps that recognized Korea and Formosa as
being part of Japan. Koreans even participated in the Olympic games under
the Japanese flag. If you want to use this map as recognition that Tibet is
part of China, then by definition you are saying that Chinese Taiwan and
Korea were both legitimately Japanese territory too.
"Since the annexation of Tibet by post WWII Chinese troops". What is fact
and logic behind that statement? Between 16th and 20th century, in which
period Tibet has been an independ country?
You forget, under the Mongols and the Manchu Tibet was self governing and
after the 1913 uprising, Tibet declaired independence from China. It wasn't
until Mao's time that Beijing directly controlled Tibet.
If Tibet declare indepedence from China, why the maps published in US in
1930s and 1940s still treat Tibet as a province of China?
Don't ask me, ask the map makers.
Tibetan people struggling for dignity is a serious issue. I read lots of
China bashing or West bashing in the comments here. I don't see the point
of saying how 'advanced' a country has been or what.
Whether and how long Tibet was part of the Chinese empire might be an
interesting topic for historians. But this is not completely relevant.
Most European countries were part of the Russian and Austrian empires, I
know of no one that is questioning their independence.
The only point is: there is a people out there with a unique culture that
don't feel they are part of China, they are not religious extremists, they
are not a group of lunatics, they have a territory that is by and large
bigger than any European country.
None of us is going to change anything in the geopolitical situation. But
as individuals, we all should respect the claim of Tibetans to be free.
It is sad that most Chinese (and ethnic Chinese) bash the Chinese
government for many things but back it on inter-ethnic or international
affairs blindly.
Tibetan people struggling for dignity is a serious issue. I read lots of
China bashing or West bashing in the comments here. I don't see the point
of saying how 'advanced' a country has been or what.
Whether and how long Tibet was part of the Chinese empire might be an
interesting topic for historians. But this is not completely relevant.
Most European countries were part of the Russian and Austrian empires, I
know of no one that is questioning their independence.
The only point is: there is a people out there with a unique culture that
don't feel they are part of China, they are not religious extremists, they
are not a group of lunatics, they have a territory that is by and large
bigger than any European country.
None of us is going to change anything in the geopolitical situation. But
as individuals, we all should respect the claim of Tibetans to be free.
It is sad that most Chinese (and ethnic Chinese) bash the Chinese
government for many things but back it on inter-ethnic or international
affairs blindly.
all you westerners just pretend to know the history of CHINA......but you
know only the word CHINA but nothing else...all of you dont even qualify to
have a serious talk about CHINA.
qestion 1: how many principle race (sub-civilization)that CHINA
has??????????????????????
All the CHINA-basher can e-mail me so i can teach
you and your mom the real history of CHINA.
all you westerners just pretend to know the history of CHINA......but you
know only the word CHINA but nothing else...all of you dont even qualify to
have a serious talk about CHINA.
qestion 1: how many principle race (sub-civilization)that CHINA
has??????????????????????
All the CHINA-basher can e-mail me so i can teach
you and your mom the real history of CHINA.
all you westerners just pretend to know the history of CHINA......but you
know only the word CHINA but nothing else...all of you dont even qualify to
have a serious talk about CHINA.
qestion 1: how many principle race (sub-civilization)that CHINA
has??????????????????????
All the CHINA-basher can e-mail me so i can teach
you and your mom the real history of CHINA.
First things first. We're not all westeners here, don't imagine for one
second that all English language bloggers and blog readers are whites.
I have just found this site after someone recommended it to me on my own
blog. I spent a short time in China this year, a few months, working on a
project to help the Tibetans within a community to sustain themselves
through the skills they have.
The Hans ( Chinese for the rest of the world ) are on a similar Westward
drive to exterminate the indigenus popuplation using the railway as it
happened in the 19th century in the American continent. But in the 21st
century, with Internet and Satellite Connected Mobile phones this adventure
will become a dream house built without foundation. But the Tibetans and
the people of EAstTurkmanistan should not lose hope. The spirit of Freedom
is an everlasting flame. The free countries around are not blind to this
ultimate reality. PRC will collapse like the USSR very soon.
I'm afraid that I don't share you're optomism.