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Who not to Blog with ... If you want to be read in China

posted Sunday, 17 July 2005

According to the esteemed Miss MacKinnon of Rconversation, bloggers who desire to reach a Chinese audience should avoid the following blog service providers, all of which have now apparently been blocked by the Chinese government.

http://egoweblog.com
http://www.blogspirit.com/
http://www.blogeasy.com/
http://www.blogzor.com/
http://www.mazeme.com/
http://www.yesblogger.com/
http://www.tblog.com/

These 7 new additions join an ever increasing list of Chinese and foreign language blogging services that are now prohibited in China as part of Beijing's drive to control the flow of information, and to cut the Chinese people off from each other, and from the outside world.

The latest blockings come on top of a sustained campaign by Beijing against the free use of the internet that has included:
  • The closing of thousands of internet cafes that allowed customers open access to the internet.
  • Legislation forcing mainland Chinese to register their real world identities with the local security forces before being allowed to use internet cafes.
  • Legislation making service providers responsible for political comment made though their services.
  • Legislating forcing mainland Chinese bloggers and Webmasters to register their site addresses and real world identities with the government.

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1. dishuiguanyin left...
Sunday, 17 July 2005 10:48 pm

Yes, using the internet in China can be really annoying. However, whilst Chinese internet cafe users have to register by providing their official id card, foreigners find the situation a bit more confused. At those netbars managed by the younger generation, a foreigner hands over their passport, and the name therein is copied out (in a rather hit-and-miss fashion). At netbars managed by the older generation, such as the one I'm in right now, the proffered passport provides such confusion that nothing whatsoever gets registered.

Anyway, yeah, big, serious issue. Could go on about it for hours. The thing is: the Chinese users don't seem to be particularly bothered about any of it. As long as they can play games, chat on QQ and cheat on their exams, they don't seem to mind about not being able to read half of the web, nor about having to register their names.


2. ACB left...
Monday, 18 July 2005 12:24 am

Oh, your not dead? I'd heard that you'd been kidnapped by North Koreans or something of the like.

A good point, most of the people in China don't realize what they're missing because of the censorship, and that is one of the things that scares me. We have an entire country that believes that it knows the score on a million and one issues, but in fact doesn't know a fraction of what is going on (and more importantly what has already been going on).

While most of the people might be a big too loose on the details of the world to mind about the censorship, some of them appear to be pretty ticked off about the fee that they have to pay to get registered. A Chinese student could eat for two or three days on the money needed to get a clearance for a cafe.


3. lifeinjiangxi left...
Monday, 18 July 2005 1:42 pm

It always comes down to money, doesn't it? In China, emperors come, dynasties go, they're pretty much all repressive and controlling, but the people deal with it by only worrying about money.


4. lifeinjiangxi left...
Monday, 18 July 2005 1:51 pm

Last week I managed to comment on reconversion. I got my Chinese friends to answer the questions. Today however, I cannot get through at all, not even using you-know-what. This is the most annoying thing, there are days when it's impossible to read so many websites...


5. Mark Anthony Jones left...
Monday, 18 July 2005 4:30 pm

This comment has been removed by the site admin for breaching site ethical guidlines.


6. ACB left...
Monday, 18 July 2005 8:50 pm

Hmm, if you want to complain about this guy, I would advice that you didn't do it on my site, but rather that you did it somewhere where he could argue back.

He is not telling his readers 'what they want to hear' about China any more than I, or almost any other China blogger, are. We have our positions, his is that China is a warmongering totalitarian hole filled with corruption, human rights abuses, and poor hygiene, and your apparently isn't. I've seen a lot in my time, and more than enough to know that he has his head screwed on most of the time (at least for a panty wearing bleeding heart liberal surendering peacemonger). He sees many of the same wickednesses in China that are emerging in the US, and he doesn't like it.


7. yuanme left...
Tuesday, 19 July 2005 2:51 am

I suppose it's harder to search for the truth when you're denied access to the tools. However I find it hard to believe that those possessing wisdom can be duped for the long term, and then there are those who only search for an easier life and don't necessarily search for the truth.


8. ACB left...
Tuesday, 19 July 2005 3:04 am

The problem in china is that not only are people brainwashed into not asking questions, but they are also completly unaware that there is so much for them to be unaware of because of the lack of information in China.

The number of times I've come across things where Chinese people have automatically thought that a situation or thing was identical in the west or Japan to the way it was in China, and were rather shocked when I told them exactly how different things were.

How many people in Chinado you suppose think that the only real difference between the way that the Chinese government is run and the way that a western government is run is the method used to choose who is in charge.


9. yuanme left...
Tuesday, 19 July 2005 3:51 am

I guess it's like Coyote blog said (via big cat chronicles)"...all over the world, governments shackle the human mind and limit the potential of humanity."... The more you know, the more you know you don't know. There's a lot of info out there that's not worth knowing, but having the opportunity to decide for yourself what's worth knowing is the important part.


10. lifeinjiangxi left...
Tuesday, 19 July 2005 2:13 pm

ACB: remember that when you were talking to the Chinese, you were mainly talking to the younger ones, the ones who are more succeptible to propoganda. I really noticed the difference between teaching my college students (in their early twenties) and teaching adult evening classes (thirties and forties). The adults had a much more cynical opinion on many things. Now the internet is mainly used by the younger generation, who can't be expected to be very cynical yet. Maybe later....

MAJ: Sorry you've just reminded of a quote I found on the net (apologies, I can't remember where it came from). It's rather unPC, but it goes like this: "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still a spaz."


11. Mark Anthony Jones left...
Wednesday, 20 July 2005 5:53 pm

This coment has been edited to protect the privacy of those involved

Dear ACB and Lifeinjiangxi,

Look, if you want to know why I am raising my concerns about here on this blog, it is because he has banned me from his site, and he has also put considerable pressure on other bloggers not to host me. put up my comments on his , and [Admin Edit: name removed] responded automatically by punishing him - removing the link to his site from .

In the words of Uriel Wittenberg, "If we were to imagine a taxonomy of World Wide Web information sources, one relatively intriguing species might be that of English-language China bloggers. Belonging as they do to the much larger genus of Blogger, they have an instinctive ardor for free speech. But China bloggers also live under, or focus on, the world's greatest information-censoring regime. Inevitably, the topic of censorship gets frequent play, and it goes without saying that disapproval is the prevailing sentiment.

It is therefore fascinating that several of these China bloggers unabashedly practice censorship themselves."

Wittenberg singles out the as the biggest offender, and as Wittenberg says, "The Communist Party has an obvious motive for censorship: They're the bosses of a big country and they want it to stay that way. (In addition, they have a "social stability" rationalization which is at least not immediately implausible."

O.K. So what then are the censoring bloggers' motives? Surely I am raising a legitimate concern here? If wants his readers to take him and his site seriously, then surely he ought to practice what he preaches? He claims that the CCP is "undemocratic" and "evil" largely because of their use of censorship, and so one supposed that he bases this on a belief that censoring other peoples' criticisms is wrong, immoral, and undemocratic. So why the hypocrisy?

My whole point here is this: if bloggers are going to criticise the CCP for censoring criticisms, then surely bloggers themselves should refrain from trhe very same practices.

Best regards, Mark Anthony Jones


12. Mark left...
Wednesday, 20 July 2005 8:02 pm

ACB, if you are determined to exercise your right to host this personal vendetta from our acutely narcissistic and mentally-disturbed friend, then could you at least have the decency to edit the personal details of the owner of that this freak is putting into all of his comments? You're the only blogger to leave in this personal information intact.

A good tip: don't engage the freak. He's a narcissist and needs and feeds upon the attention he receives.


13. lifeinjiangxi left...
Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:14 pm

Just once more (and then no more engagement):

MAJ: The blog/chatroom community does frequently turn into a schoolyard. I agree totally. The thing is: you're still playing in it. Negative criticism: I still think you're acting like a ****. Positive suggestion: if you've got all that free time and money that you mention, why don't you just start your own China website to expound your own views on China (and even other China bloggers if you like)? As ACB says, China is very big and everyone has a different experience and different opinions. Even if everybody else has banned you, I don't particularly need to read your huge comment about TPD in this particular thread on ACB. Use some lateral thinking and find another place please.


14. stefy left...
Friday, 22 July 2005 8:25 pm :: http://whynotyes.splinder.com/

helloooooo


15. ACB left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 12:03 am

Note to readers MAJ is now under official warning on this site because he posted personal details about another blogger along side unfair and derogatory comments as part of a vendetta and because he posted under three phudonymes on this site.


16. Uncover Japan left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 12:25 am :: http://www.uncoverjapan.com

Does anyone know why they are blocking these sites specifically? Is it due to the shared servers?


17. ACB left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 3:08 am

Most of the blog blocks seem to be to do with being free and attracking Chinese bloggers, rather than because of something that westeners were saying.

As you said, these blogs are probably on shared server, so Beijing simply blocks the whole domain, catching the good with 'the bad'.


18. ACB left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 4:45 am

MAJ

You have violated site policy on adusing other comentors. Your comment has been removed alsong with the innapropriate insults that it contained.

If this is to be a tit for tat affair, then you may add you tit (which I reserve the right to delete) to this particular piece of generic tat.

“Angry Chinese Blogger tried very hard indeed to see things from Mr. Jones's point-of-view, but after much effort was unable to get its head far enough up the local party secretary's anus to do so.”

Angry Chinese Blogger

Angry Chinese Blogger is waiting patiently for the accusatory comment claiming that its administrator is in actual fact a republican voting white American male (aged 18-28) who has traveled no closer to China than the island of Taiwan (which of course is an integral part of the people's republic of China), and that they are both impotent/frigid and in possession of a small penis/flat chest. To be more accurate, ACB is waiting with a finger poised to press 'report as spam'


19. Mark Anthony Jones left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 9:24 am

ACB,

I can assure you that if any comments have appeared on this site under my name after my comment of July 20th, then they were most certainly not written by me! People have also been trying to further discredit me by posting comments on TPD under my name. And I have made absolutely no comments on this site under the guise of other names! You are mistaken.

Because of the poor security and the lack of adequate checks and balances on these sites, I have decided to no longer contribute to any of them after today. I will simply comment about these English-language China blogs on more protected sites, like The China Daily online forum.

Adieu! Mark Anthony Jones


20. ACB left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 3:30 pm

MAJ

I have your internet signature and posting patern recorded, I can track you when you post and so can other blog users. its a very simple task to do. You posted to my blog using three different names, you posted to PKD using different names, our 'security' let us know when the same person posts several times in the manner that you did.

You can post on China daily all you like, but we all know that it is heavily censored to remove anything that Beijng doesn't like. I have personally wittnessed them removing comment that defend PKD until only comments that support you are left. Yesterday alone they removed half a dozen comments from different users who said that you posted under multilpe IDs.

You are not longer welcome on my site, post sensible comments about that relate to the articles, or go away.

You have truely gone native.


21. THM left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 6:16 pm

ACB, you're better off just to ignore him. He's not a mentally stable individual.


22. Name left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 6:48 pm

Hey, I just visited the China Daily and I noticed they have deleted the following information that was previously included with MAJs' article:

(Admin Edit: Personal details removed)


23. The Angry Chinese Blogger left...
Saturday, 23 July 2005 8:08 pm

Name

I don't allow people's names and addresses to be published on this site. Even if the person is a loon.


24. richard left...
Sunday, 24 July 2005 6:31 am

Madge posted as Bryce on my site last month (http://pekingduck.org/archives/002507.php) with the IP address 61.240.18.1.

He then posted as Steve L. on July 1 (http://pekingduck.org/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=2602) using IP address 218.17.90.237, when he played his typical game of pretending to be someone else and supporting his own arguments. Quite amusing.

All the posters claiming they were Madge on my site were telling the truth unless they coincidentally have the same IP address; IPs rarely lie. And revealing an IP address is no breach of privacy. You tell me your IP address every time you come to my site or email me or comment. They are often posted publicly on bulleting boards and online forums. That said, I would never have a reason to reveal someone's IP address unless they were abusing my site, posting under pseudonyms and trying to fool readers into believing he's someone he is not. Someone last night posted Madge's phone number and address, and when I saw it this morning I deleted it at once. That is the kind thing Uriel and Madge have made their signature, and we never want to descend to their level.

ACB, thanks for recognizing how dangerous this episode is and how we must all stand together to be sure a handful of bored narcissists don't wreck our community just because they feel left out. Much appreciated.


25. Mark Anthony Jones left...
Monday, 25 July 2005 11:20 am

I am going to say this once, and once only. I have never posted anything on this site other than under my name of Mark Anthony Jones, and only ever from this office, from this IP address. These two other writers are NOT me.

Now you can chose to believe otherwise if you prefer. But I won't be contributing to this site again, and so if anybody else posts a comment here under my name then all I ask of you is not to take it as "fact" that it was posted by me.

Mark Anthony Jones


26. richard left...
Monday, 25 July 2005 12:07 pm

Luckily, your reputation proceeeds you Dr. Meyers...err, Steve L., err..., Bryce, errr MAJ, err.... :-)


27. ACB left...
Monday, 25 July 2005 3:29 pm

Richard

One of the joys of being where I am is that I have access to some neat tracking tool, I got a handle on the guy who posted MAJ's (alleged) number when it was posted to my site as well and emailed them about it to say that it was a no no.

I deleted it as well, posting that kind of thing goes against my site policy.


28. The Angry Chinese Blogger left...
Monday, 25 July 2005 5:43 pm

MAJ

You appear to have posted 7 different times on my site using 3 different names this month alone. I can track when you do this. It's not all that hard when all of the comments come from THE SAME COMPUTER and have the same writting style.


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